WikiZuHeltzer Awesome, thanks for the heads up. I think you're right about the toe shapes, and I made a quick comparison: 1461: http://i.imgur.com/UnFkQlal.jpg 1461 hidden stitching: http://i.imgur.com/uSmgK8Yl.jpg Smith: http://i.imgur.com/D7xEd2Xl.jpg