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[exprof]

Laid back general catch-all womenswear thread. Discuss the mundane: stores, seek advice, cool stuff etc.

I'll start with some stores:

- Located in San Francisco. Stocks slightly more american: LVC, apiece apart, pendleton, gitman sisters.
- Located in Belfast. Stocks a lot of euro brands: women's trickers, dries van noten, margaret howell etc.
- Located in Tokyo. Stocks most nepenthes brands. Interesting lookbooks.

[exprof]

i felt like that thread was more "fashion", tryna make something more casual

[maj]

as this is for the everyday girl and not the high roller,

what is the best way a average girl can look on trend on a budget without falling into a tumblr cliche? men fall into the topman trap (and more recently the size? one) but that's very limited i feel so many looks have been destroyed by tumblr/magazines/fast paced trends for girls which often works against them rather than for them. being somewhat trendy with most people around you being aware of where you got your clothes, and more often than not where you got your idea from seems a little weird from a mens perspective as most my peers won't know unless it's from one of 3 high street chains. then again this may not even be a discussion topic for women and something they just accept happens and in that case what are the top 5 traps the everyday fashion aware woman falls into.

i did see these one girl in sainsburys who took that all black look and wore it with some wedge soles and a widebrim, drapey cardigan, skinny jeans and turned it into something unique (as in a literally has no clue which store she shops at) which looked budgetballer but other than that i can't think of much.

want to learn more about low end womens wear.

[parlezvouzscottish]

@maj

you talked about the topman trap for men, while for girls in uk metropolitan areas as of recent seem to be rinsing the fuck out of zara, while yeah some of the looks look alright I think a lot of them just buy things from zara and place them in outfits and end up with little cohesion.

I do however feel low end womens wear offers a lot more variability in the type of pieces you can pick up without looking ridiculous, low quality showy dresses from zara look alright when worn but anything flashy from topman or the likes do look a lot worse compared to the A.P.C or more mid tier equivalent.

[sidewalk]

That same exact stereotype could be applied to low end mens wear. I can't even tell you about budget mens wear that doesn't fall into a "tumblr cliche", "topman trap", and/or that hasn't been destroyed by trends. Seems like a loaded question where the answer is right in front of you.

When you make all of these derogatory generalizations there is no correct answer because anything and everything can have negative connotations alongside it.

[maj]

i don't think this is either derogatory or loaded but merely a general question, it's common knowledge women's fashion is more accessible than mens in both terms of sources they're exposed to and the variety of garments so it's natural to assume that there would be more avenues to peruse at a lower price level. i can count on one hand the number of menswear stores in my town and if i removed stores that overlap i could probably do it on two fingers, however the number of female stores with seemingly varied aesthetics is far greater. i make the assumption as the number interested is higher, and the accessibility is greater individuality is valued more broadly amongst them than it is men. too relate it to an example with us we criticise those interested for copying trends or blindly following certain things amongst our peers on the web.

talking about fashion as a male in the "real world" at least for me, revolves around 2 stores and from conversations from female friends theirs are far more in depth than "did u see those new nb's in jd, they'll look peng with my topman chinos". so from my view it is only natural to assume people hold an opinion on this, not in a derogatory or loaded sense as you stated (sorry if it appears that way), but merely from a creative side. usually i wouldn't say this is fair amongst the un-interested but as a great number of non hobbyist females are interested in fashion as a whole i feel it's a suitable question, given that's a generalisation but judging by the average womans magazine in my news agents i can't be far off. i don't see what's wrong with asking "what do you find un-orginal" just as much as i see nothing wrong with saying that guys geos and bbs pants is unoriginal and bit dull if he's clearly interested in fashion.

[exprof]

Some anecdotal things on low end womenswear:

On cohesion:
My sister used to work for forever 21 in high school, and what they did was send her a catalogue with a bunch of odd "style archetypes", like "goth punk princess", "southern belle chic", "pretty and pink" etc. The store was often divided by "style" section. What I noticed the most was that people tended to buy things that they thought were "cute" from all over the store instead of being coherent and sticking to one style. I think a lot of young girls feel the pressure to be everything, and so it's no surprise when their wardrobe lacks any sort of formal direction. I noticed these archetypes also appeared at Zara and H&M, though they did tend to be a little less overt.

On unoriginality/traps:
I think it's really difficult to find some sort of originality when confined to these mass-produced brands. When you think about how low the costs are etc. there are bound to be at least a thousand+ other women with the same shirt as you. When you do try for originality, you end up with something very incoherent as mentioned above. I don't really think many of my peers go much farther than "I want to look cute", so originality/authenticity is often negligible. The best solution to this IMO is to make/sew stuff and thrift. I really think thrifting with a good eye and vision/direction in mind is the best low-budget option.

[maj]

i worked in next for a brief time and the women's section was divided into "stories" which rotated every 6 weeks, compared to the mens which was a standard foray of basics that changed when the seasons did and stocking their versions of what Burton was stocking, who was stocking what everyone else was stocking. the divide in markets is huge and there are massive differences in styles they have access too at a low price point.

i think my "anecdotal sample group" of my sister and her friends must be an outlier by what you say as they all have quite clear tastes compared to "everything girls" you're describing in which case makes my comment seem a bit misguided.

[charybdis]

I think a lot of womenswear brands tend to push/project a certain "lifestyle" instead of the clothes themselves. For instance, places like modcloth, anthropologie and nasty gal where the clothes aren't that great in terms of quality and design but girls will pay a premium because of the image these brands cultivate.

Also, I found this a little amusing: http://reductress.com/post/style-watch- ... g-already/

[UnwashedMolasses]

[exprof]

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[exprof]

Also, speaking of anthropologie, they teamed up with kapital earlier this year, though it never reached my local store. Probably the most cohesive collaboration I've ever seen.

[thatbiglake]

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[sidewalk]

I say the answer is right in front of you because regardless of your gender, you walk into an H&M and you're not leaving without something that's "over-trended" and unoriginal. There's not much variety, and that's because people who are interested in a $20 jacket aren't paying for variety. It doesn't sell. Most people want to blend in.

In all honesty the question doesn't make much sense. You're trying to find something that isn't there. You're exactly right that even BBS boots categorize you, and that seems to be the end. You answered your own question. Even though womens fashion seems more involved, when you look through it, stores aren't deviating from each other. One store is the same as any other, except with a different logo on the tag.

I know somebody mentioned like "Punk Girl" at forever21, but that's still a cliche. So, no matter what somebody on the budget spectrum does, it will seem bland. This "originality" doesn't exist on a budget, unless your somebody like soundclip who is very directional and invested.

[UnwashedMolasses]

[ramseames]

[hamburgerlady]

i've never really went too deep into womenswear, mainly because to me it seems overwhelming and i don't really get exposed to it as much.
(this is due to the brands i particularly look at, etc. although fwk is very nice)
i hope to learn a lot from this thread as it progresses since the points that have been made here so far are interesting upon my previous observations as well.

but hey here's some girls in lad :

[UnwashedMolasses]

[donut_milk]

I think because most women are exposed to mall brands and fashion magazines everywhere telling them how to dress it's hard to deviate from that. I know the majority of my girl friends don't particularly care or have an interest in high fashion (except runway shows) but they all kinda follow the same "cookie-cutter" look. I think it's also about being safe as well when it comes to dressing themselves and not wanting to stand out too much. I also have some friends who only buy from F21, H&M, UO, Wet Seal, etc. and it just does not work at all for them because it looks too juvenile for their age (late 20s); it's all they know and they could care less about spending $100+ on a piece.

I dunno, I just recalled when I went to visit a friend back home and she said my pants looked like waitress pants (plain black slim ponte pants) and it was weird for her. Usually I always feel overdressed when I go back home because the norm there is sweats/leggings/light washed jeans, flashy top, flats/sneakers.

[schiaparelli]

[schiaparelli]

posting some pictures of not–high street not–designer brands i like (i guess i see this as the price point/investment-in-fashion point that rachel comey inhabits). or really whatever i can think of.

apiece apart. i guess they're cool in this very relaxed, unfussy, odd-silhouette-y kind of way. i highly recommend their for southwest america architecture modern art cacti-photographed-with-filters miscellany, which is pretty much their aesthetic in attire too. sometimes they do interesting digital/geometric prints.


(s/s 2013 campaign)


(f/w 2013)


(dress from s/s 2014. i wanted like everything from this collection)

black crane. slouchy lounging around in your eichler with attached greenhouse kind of clothing. i actually realized looking them up for pictures that i'm not super enthused with the brand overall, but bits and pieces of what they do are pretty interesting.


(f/w 2012)


(think this is s/s 2014)

vpl. sort-of-unsexy-sort-of-sexy sportswear lingerie that then becomes interesting sporty/drapey things. neon gymwear and prints. breezy. actually idk if they should actually go in the other womenswear thread, but i'm on a roll now~


(s/s 2012)


(also s/s 2012. my favorite one i think)


(f/w 2012)


(i think their insertion bras are insanely cool)

[donut_milk]

re: asian girls

Personally I think it has to do with Asian Idols being the main influence in fashion in Asia as opposed to here in the US. Could it also be because in Asia women should still uphold typical gender roles? I watched a while back explaining the "ideal woman" in Korea (bae-ee-gul) - baby faced, cute, glamorous, sexy, yet innocent. While here in the US, I know among myself and my other Asian friends, we gravitated towards more streetstyle. Possibly because we were the minority where we lived or it could've been because we all didn't have enough money to really afford nicer clothes. Thinking back on it, we also banded together with other minorities (i.e. Latin@, Blacks, etc) as opposed to hanging out with white people. That's just a personal anecdote, though.

[sidewalk]

[stappard_]

this thread isn't laid back at all right now


this is one of my favourite women's fits

[charybdis]

This old skool exprof fit is my favorite now that it is summer



would put it on my wall, but that's too weird even for me

Also, can we talk about how fucking difficult finding summer sandals is?

The Apiece Apart Il Sandalo is my ideal right now, but they don't make my size. No one makes my size...

[hooplah]

i fucking hate sandals on me, i just don't like the way they look or feel
they look great on other people and i see ones i like the look of, but sandals just do not match me at all. i wear boots to the beach

i was pulling my hair out trying to find some suitable ones but in the end (and with some solid encouragement from germinal) i just ended up buying some cheap black espadrilles that will probably only last me the summer. that's really all i need them to do, though, so that's fine by me. one cheap pair of sandals every summer seems pretty reasonable.

those are nice; if i were to buy sandals i'd want ones with a single strap like that

[sunblam]

[chadnik]

, I think part of the schizoid nature of F21 and places like that comes from the fact that they're trying to tackle relevance from all angles—so you get designer "interpretations"/knockoffs as well as whatever their trend forecasting agency predicts is the next big thing in clubwear. I wonder if that's part of the appeal of stores like F21/Zara/H+M, almost the antithesis of ones with a very edited and specific aesthetic like Mill or Anaise (or maybe better, another mall brand like American Eagle), and maybe why they have some credo among high fashion types—the seemingly unique thrill of looking through a bunch of things that you don't find appealing to hit on the one or two pieces that are "good" may part of the experience they sell.