Hangout/podcast: Which V-Neck Cardigan Should I Wear Today

[soundclip989]

This sounds like a great idea. Love to help if I can.

[teck]

Sound glad you want to help. we're forming our episode 2 right now. are you interested in doing hosting or being a producer or being a guest? Smiles and Dwindles will be our guests this episode. if you can't help this ep we hope to do more in the future and get more folks invovled

[charybdis]

Speaking of that, can we plan a time?

I'm free tonight, if that's any help.

[teck]

Just wrapped Episode 2: The Gender Divide. Had a great time with smiles, Dwin, Unwashed and RJ. Very insightful stuff. Look for the episode soon!

[thug]

Just to clarify, are you posting it here? Or are you keeping the episodes archived on a website or something

[Syeknom]

Looking forward to hearing this!

[rjbman]

Hear it you shall! It's also available for download for anyone interested.



Couple things to note: we tried keeping it under 30 minutes (failed) and as such we didn't have as much "get to know the guests" and no games. There's no edited cut this time though, it's still about half the length of the last "full" episode.

I looked into getting it on iTunes, and hit a few hiccups, mostly in terms of hosting the files. If anyone has a spare server somewhere to put the files on, we could get it running/subscribable there.

Time to start planning the next one!

[charybdis]

Oh shit. Thanks for doing this rjbman. Sorry I can't compile images this time because I hate listening to my own voice.

Some photos of a dude wearing Litas though.

[sknss]

good job guys.
the song at the end was so cute

[Syeknom]

Very interesting topic this one, nicely done. Enjoyed the double guest format - was great to hear a panel style discussion on the topic. Wish there was some way to avoid sound/connection quality issues though.

Would love to have had more discussion re: sexuality, rick owens and yohji because those two names got lumped together when discussing femininity and clothing cuts but from my point of view the two arrive at these flowing, drapey cuts (skirts, for example) from two very different starting points. Rick Owens uses skirts (something we see as a feminine garb) but in an extremely butch, masculine way; more like an ancient or tribal warrior (hoplites for example) than a school girl. Much as ancient warriors would have worn them for mobility and power on the battlefield so too does Rick use them to play back into his raw, athletic style of masculinity. Yohji's work, on the other hand, tends to be pretty consistently a-sexual or divorced from our traditional concepts of sex or gender. His (pour homme at least) work speaks more to qualities such as relaxation or resignation rather than command, force or eroticism. His skirts are just another form of expression through graceful motion rather than being confrontational about gender. Take a look at these dudes from ss12 - nothing about them, to me, is talking specifically about gender or sexuality (and the diversity of outfits with the skirts reinforces this):



I'm rambling a bit but it would have been an interesting point to explore perhaps.

Thanks for taking the time to participate and make this!

[can-]

smiles lives in an underground moon base

[can-]

Need a thread for dwindles grandmas pants

[jrisk]

Loving the podcast guys. It's cool to put names to voices.

Maybe take another cue from NPR and end each podcast with "What's-making-me-happy-this-week"? Would be a good way to transition the conversation to a close imo.

[germinal]

it's interesting you call yohji's stuff asexual monkeys, because i'd really argue the opposite. it may not be overtly sexual like the cross-dressing rick owens or thom browne man, but his work, at least for the last few years, has been orbiting the idea of the outwardly strong and silent man; the mysterious traveller; the man who has been beaten but still walks tall... his cross-dressing is as masculine as rick's, his men wear kilts and hakamas which are as martial (sup bela) as the tribal dresses or trenchcoats owens and browne offer. cross-dressing (and the yohji man) is (are) sexy; in my opinion true androgyny isn't... can anyone call the columnar j.w. anderson man sexy? like miles says it's confusing and it makes people angry, but i don't think it turns people on. true androgyny is harder to design than what really just amounts cross-dressing, which is probably why i find it more exciting... anderson gets it right sometimes, gosha too; i can't off the top of my head think of anyone else designing sexlessness...

[UnwashedMolasses]

Agreed that Yohji's man is masculine and JW's is crossdressing, not true androgyny in the sense of lacking gender. There's not much that I've seen that reaches an elimination of gender cues, and it usually does it by completely obscuring figure entirely. Some examples from Cosmic Wonder Light Source:







Is it possible to create purely androgynous clothing? It seems like for the garments to take any cues at all from the body they must necessarily be gendered.

I'd like to see a line designed for this guy:



Name of Adam Lundgren, he's a Hawaiian hand model my SO just turned me on to. Pictures without makeup:

[germinal]

additionally:
hate 2 talk about raf all the time (jk i love it) but his latest collection is a interesting exploration of gender/sexuality
it's definitely sexual but the sexuality is very pure, adolescent - it's not about men fucking women or men fucking men, it's about all these weird feelings like why do i want to wear my sisters polo dress where are all these hairs coming from why am i looking forward to rugby practice so much why do i love the taste of super nylon wet and wild, and it's all set in a wonderful technicolour 80s retrofuture infomercial

[germinal]

i think jw anderson does manage true androgyny sometimes

this is from ss14, and i don't think you can really say these clothes are feminine, yet they certainly aren't masculine. this pillar-like architecture he uses does deny us any real sense of gender, i think, whilst still taking cues from the body:



and this, whilst obviously crossdressing, is interesting as it is a man cross-dressing as a women wearing a man's coat

[bels]

molasses x teck presenter collab is developing nicely

conversation is going straight into the deepness which is cool

Still need the imgur album to go with this stuff

Interesting high heels stirrups comment. I read that people (men and women) used to wear higher shoes to keep them out of the mud.

Miles dropping insane science from his underwater moon base.

Dwindles grandmother is a nihilist?

Forum fashion vs blogger fashion seems a great insight

what is modcloth why is it such a dirty word

Agree could be some work on segue into the ending

[Bobbin.Threadbare]

loved! Learned some stuff.

[smiles]

sorry about the mic everyone. I thought (not sure why) that outside would be quieter.

hope you could hear me, i know i talk quite softly.

[pips]

Really enjoying the podcasts and I'm not even the type to listen to podcasts. Lookbook/Tumblr style or any other site specific style would be a great topic... like how does a certain look develop from a website anyway? Also, I just realized that UnwashedMolasses sounds a lot like Tom Hiddleston without the accent.

[teck]

are people gonna be mad if i post this to /mf? im quite proud of this and plan to leverage the hell out of it if possible

[can-]

anyone can post it anywhere my friend especially you

[RycePooding]

I love soft-spoken-ultra-knowledgeable smiles.

Teck, you're very charismatic over the radio.

One of my dreams to have my own radio show a la Fresh Air or TAL.

[germinal]

so the next show is bela and ben talking about outerwear right

[teck]

yes let's get episode 3 in the works. ben and bela have expressed interest. i'll contact folks separately.

[bels]

We're going to sort this whole outerwear debacle out. The whole thing. It's going to be six hours long and have a 13 minute rap about alternatives to Goretex.

[BobbyZamora]

i hope you're not joking

[bels]

ben will do the rap because I don't know anything about goretex

[germinal]

(intro)
yo yo yo bela on the mic
you guys on the street
gotta know
Gore-Tex ain't the only way

(chorus)
we flex in Pertex
get sex in Sympatex
get high in HiVent
drop Es in eVent

(breakdown)
it's getting hot in here
and because your proprietary fabric is not as breathable as mine
you're gonna be well sweaty